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January 14, 2012

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Roger Yadon

Great blog post, I like where you are going with this, and I think you are quite possibly the coolest human being alive :), but I think you are being a little hard on churches for having written core values. Although I agree that it is harmful to tell people their worth is rooted in performance, I don’t think this is what a church is doing if they say, “we value praying like it depends on God.”

In everyday language the word value refers to the intrinsic worth of something, how precious or important it is. So if the church says, “We value praying like it depends on God,” then they would be saying either that prayer has inherent worth, or that praying gives worth to the person praying.

But if a pastor teaches people “we value praying like it depends on God.” Then, I’m speaking in terms of world view and systems of belief. In this case the word value should be understood by its social definition, which is entirely different than everyday use.

Sociologically value is essentially what I see as good. And Belief is what I hold to be true. Because of what I believe about a certain thing, I may hold one or many corresponding values.

So in this sense there is a belief that predicates the value: “we serve a good, glorious God who hears our prayers;” therefore, “we value praying like it depends on God.” Not we are more important because we pray.

Belief => is what we hold to be true
Value => What we see as good

So while my worth only comes through Jesus Christ. I can still value prayer, study, evangelism, community, etc... Because I see them as good based on what I believe about God.

Values are about belief systems, not methods. I think sometimes leaders are so concerned about being seen as having a plan that they list as values, their strategies, tactics, and action points. And that is where we get way off course.

Jeffrey Garner

Roger, good response and thank you for pointing out how you see differences in belief and value. I found your distinction helpful in understanding where you were coming from. And whereas I believe the Gospel should not only the object of my belief (what I hold to be true), but the epicenter of my value (all that I see as being good) and the focus of my passion (the goal upon which I keep my eyes); I humbly admit I am still coming to believe the Gospel and realize that there are so many areas of my life that I have resisted its power.

I enjoyed your well thought out response. And the pushback was valuable, at the very least to helping me clarify what I am saying and at the very most revealing to me how arrogant I sounded.

In response, rather than jumping ahead of myself too far let me just say two things (1) in the upcoming blogs (which are already written) I will unpack a bit more, (2) my blog is written with a view to how God is calling us to lead our church in our city, which we do with great conviction, I am carefully attempting to think critically of the North American Christendom without condemning the church. My hope is that the Beloved in San Francisco gain a perspective on how valuable the Gospel is, and in order to do that I needed a foil, a juxtaposition, a Michael Jordan (for the next NBA hopeful), a Peter (for the BD) and church values became the foil for the the value of the Gospel. Although its not the case in every church community, and not blaming anyone but myself, I found most of my value in what I did for God and that drove me to radical fervor and passion on moment and utter burnout and fatigue the next--my burning bush moment (seeing something burning up without burning out) was when my motivation, value, vision, passion and belief flatlined in the Gospel perhaps I am not saying this right I am still trying to find the words and articulation since its so fresh, but with your help and others I sure it will come. Love you buddy!

Roger Yadon

Jeff, I love your passion and insight. Hearing about what God is doing in the community is always inspiring, and it gets me pumped to be a part of the same body. I'm looking forward to the future posts, and i can't wait to get a glimpse of your value for the gospel.

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